Question:
? about spanking your children?
2007-10-25 18:33:48 UTC
im a young single mom. i have an 5, 3 and 22mon old. my oldest is uncontrollable. after his dad left 4 months ago, he started acting like his dad, swearing, his attitude (which wasnt very good), he is so defiant, and the way hes been talking to me i think is unacceptable, and now my youngest two are following his example, ive tried time-out, washing their mouths out, and a bunch of other things. im just not sure what to do. do you think a spanking would get them to stop? please help.
27 answers:
2007-10-25 18:42:23 UTC
One swat to the butt could work right after the bad behavior. You just can't go nuts. You do have to establish that YOU are the boss, YOU are in control. After the swat, send him to his room.
CompletelyClueless
2007-10-26 02:05:27 UTC
You have been given a lot of good answers here, both for and against spanking. I say it depends on the relationship between you and your child. You know him, we don't. Is this all new behavior since his dad left? If so, then he is just expressing his anger and hurt in the best way he knows how. In that case, talking and counseling would probably be better than spanking, just to help him get through what is probably a hard and confusing time for him. If this is just his normal behavior, before and after his dad's departure, then some spanking may be in order. Just because you spank your child does not mean you are abusing him. But be mindful that spanking is not always the answer and doesnt always work. Personally, I believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child". I have two children, and they are by all accounts pretty nice kids. They have not been spanked a lot, but when necessary and they learn that there are consequences for their actions, sometimes unpleasant, but still it teaches them that somethings they just cant do. Best wishes to you and your children!
pinelake302
2007-10-26 01:57:03 UTC
A spanking never hurt a child yet...note I said SPANKING not beating. A small switch and 5 swats only on the buns through the pants never hurt a child but it does get the message across and establishes authority which is what children want and need in their lives.



Spankings for the 3 and 5 year old are OK but I would wait a few more months for the 22 month old and then maybe only 3 swats.



I might also add...make sure the older ones understand why they are getting a spanking. As the little one gets older they too should be able to explain the reason. When done do two things, 1st. ask them if they are going to do that behavior again, and 2nd...Very important. hug them and tell them you love them and don't like having to give them spankings.



All of us older people grew up knowing spankings and I don't think it hurt any of us...and probably did us a lot of good.
2007-10-26 01:59:35 UTC
I think it would

People claim spanking is child abuse, but it teaches them a lesson much better than a time out would.

I've seen parents try to raise children without spanking them, and the kids usually ended up being brats. My mom baby sits 2 children that aren't very disciplined are they are always getting into stuff, loud, stomping on the floor (we live on the top floor in an apartment), and have absolutely no manners.



You should do it now before it's too late. If this continues, by the time they're teenagers they'll be almost impossible to discipline
Haulie
2007-10-26 02:09:19 UTC
I personally don't spank. I think that consistency is best... try time outs, just don't give in. Also talking to your son about how you understand how he's feeling would be helpful. He is probably having a hard time as he is angry and sad and cannot really articulate that yet in an effective manner. You also mention that you're a single mom to three which probably means that the three of them are having to fight for your attention. Sometimes negative attention is better then no attention at all. I know it might be difficult but you should make it a point to find a way to be able to spend one o one time with your children individually. You need to make sure that you explain what's going on to your children. Tell them that it's not their fault and that they will still have both mommy and daddy and that you both love them very much.
MJ
2007-10-26 02:44:26 UTC
I had the same problem but for different reasons. Nothing worked at all for him and his three siblings were following right along. I had to put my oldest through three 6 month rounds of therapy and three rounds of anger management. Everything was always someone elses fault and he told some of the most awful stories about me to his teachers, friends and family members. I have had CPS called on me two times by his too. In the end, we discovered that the conflict between my mother-in-law and I opened a door telling him to play both sides of the field and that he was also having realistic dreams he thought were real.
CrazyChick
2007-10-26 02:19:24 UTC
It's up to you, I know parents have done it for generations, but I would REALLY not wash a child's mouth out with soap again. They ingest it, and it can poison them, especially at that young age.



I would really really suggest you have at least your five-year-old meet with a therapist. A therapist who specializes in children would try to get your son to open up through activities like playing or drawing, or other creative play activities. He's having some very common, but very serious, trust and abandonment issues that are manifesting into anger, and the sooner he confronts those issues, the sooner he can get past them.



Normally, I'm not a real fan of spanking, but I don't judge parents who do it in extreme situations. However, since the underlying cause of his behavior problems is the divorce and disappearance of his dad in the home, spanking would not likely really help him. It would just show him that there's just one more person who he can't feel secure around.



I would imagine, if you help him confront his feelings of rejection, resentment, anger and helplessness that often happen in these situations, his behavior will drastically improve as a result of it.



In the meantime, if it were me, I would pick my battles and discipline with understanding and unconditional love. I'm not saying you should do nothing when he disrespects you, but considering the circumstances, and his age, I think spanking or washing his mouth out with soap or whatever would be counter-productive. Instead, try to keep your cool, look him in the face and tell him firmly but calmly that speaking to you like that is unacceptable, and you will not tolerate it, but try to give him a little wiggle room until the therapy starts to show some results.



You could also appeal to his ego in a way. With dad gone, the younger siblings look at him more than ever, and pick up on the bad behavior. See if you can appeal to a sense of responsibility for his siblings. It may not work, but it's worth a shot.



But I would definately take him to see a therapist, by himself, and possibly with you as well. Regular punishments may teach him not to do bad things, but they don't address the causes of the behavior problems, just the individual instances. Wouldn't it be better to deal with this in a way that will allow him to be at peace, too?
gdc
2007-10-26 04:26:46 UTC
Dr. James Dobson knows how to raise a child to be psychotic. If you take his advice you better get ready to see your children in prison.



Think about this Do you believe that Bill Sates was spanked? I'd bet he never was. The problem with children are the parents. I as a single father NEVER had to spank my son. I got custody of him when he was 3 years old. He's 28 now, has a great job in the computer field, had his home built when he was 21. And as everyone that know him as said he turned out great!

No spankings

To be honest only mentally sick people spank their children. Or even think about doing so.
♥cutemamma♥
2007-10-26 01:42:47 UTC
Well i think that spanking can work on some kids.. not all the time.

At five years old i think you maybe able to control him better by taking privileges away. A toy, or game, or DVD.

I also think that there has to be a reason why he is action out. Stress from going to house to house, or school. Whatever it is.. you need to get to the bottom of it. If you know whats causing his out burts, or what is stressing him out, or why he is angry you will be able to fix it for good... a long term fix.





*** We recently moved away from home, across the country. And my four year old took it VERY hard. Her attitude changes, her behavior did a 180. She started trowing fits in the store, back talking. It was awful! A few months later we did move back. It did take a while for her to begin to settle down. But i just talked to her, i told her it was OK to be angry, but she couldn't throw fits like that. And she had to use her words instead.

I do spank from time to time. But normally its over kids not refusing to hold my hand when crossing st, or hurting each other, and jumping on stuff... basically safety issues, or nasty behavior (spitting etc)

Hope this helps!
shymom
2007-10-27 06:55:59 UTC
I believe in spanking but with limitations also. before i spank my kids i try to explain to them in simple ways why i need to do it and then after the spanking i let them cry or whatever they want to do. then later will again talk to them. though i only have two kids, the eldest being 3 yo, i never spank her without first comfronting her (in a nice way) or talking to her first. it wont be easy for her to understand but so far she is doing well with this method. it worked for me maybe you can try.



i know its really difficult to be a single mom but be patient and try to divide your time with your kids. this maybe is his reaction to losing his father and other stuff. maybe he has not fully understand the reason for all the problems you have. give it time and talk with him about certain things about the family and maybe... just maybe... in time he will understand everything and realize that what his doing is not good. be patient. you can do it.
2007-10-26 02:41:16 UTC
Man, I am sorry about that. He is probably just really hurting right now. That however does not make his behavior acceptable. Don't stop what you are doing. He cannot get away with that kind of abuse. It is really hard what you are going through and you could use his fathers help if he will do so. If not just don't quit disciplining. Your son will eventually get the picture and his behavior will get better. I hope for the best for you and your family.
Slim&Sexy
2007-10-26 01:47:48 UTC
There is a difference between discipline and abuse,it is okay to spank them when they step out of line.But keep in mind that spanking them should not leave behind bruises.If you don't get a handle on these kids while they are young they will end up telling you what to do and that's a fact.!!! Start NOW you can not wait until they get in their teens to start the discipline process.
glurpy
2007-10-26 01:44:36 UTC
No, I don't think spanking will stop.



Will you look for a second at WHY your oldest is behaving this way? Because he's hurting inside. He's angry and he's only 5 and has no clue how to deal with his emotions.



If you can at all find some sort of family counsellor, that would be the best thing. If not, see what you can find online or at the library on helping kids with their emotions. Say things to your oldest like, "Wow, you must be soooo angry right now to say things like that. Can you show me with your arms (stretch out your arms) just how angry you are?" Get the conversation going. Get emotional vocabulary going so he can identify what it is he's feeling.



You might also look into some parenting books for techniques. Faber and Mazlish have the "How to Talk So Your Kids Will Listen" books and Jane Nelsen has some great books on Positive Discipline. Both approaches are to help you connect with your kids, not force them to behave in a certain manner when their insides can't go along. Imagine if you got into a depression over something bothering you inside--do you think someone else's punishing you would change how you feel? Yes, you do need to deal with the behaviour, but you must, must, must deal with the emotions inside your 5yo. As he gets in line, your others will too.
Weeme
2007-10-26 04:50:58 UTC
My son is like that also, he is very defiant by nature, and he's even younger! It sounds like your son is one of those kids that a spanking just won't work on. Even though it can be very effective, some kids just don't care!

Try ignoring him and not giving him any attention when he acts like that, eventually that's what got through to my son!

Good luck.
mamanana9
2007-10-26 01:45:43 UTC
alot of ppl on here are going to say never touch your children in a discilinary form.i disagree.it will not hurt to spank them.theres a big difference between a spanking and a beating.it will not harm them mentally and will only get there attention physically.i have 2 grown children and still have 2 kids.a 7 and 8 yr old at home.they get spankings.no ppl they are notmentally damaged.there both on honor roll at school,well behaved but not because of fear but from respect,if you let them push you and dont stop it now it will not get any better.
Maureen
2007-10-26 03:09:30 UTC
It might get them to stop the particular behavior that you want them to stop, but it's not going to teach them *why* or how to make a better decision in the future.



He's 5 years old. He's not an adult. He doesn't know what he's supposed to do or how to communicate what he's feeling. Help him *learn* how to be a good person. He wants to be, he just doesn't know how. He wants your approval, but he doesn't know how to consciously make the right choices - he's randomly doing what comes to his mind, based on behavior he's seen modelled in the past. He might even be angry at you - because he thinks he's supposed to be, or because everything's messed up & dad's not there & he knows it's not his fault (well, he hopes it isn't anyway, and if it is, he's going to blame someone else because that's what he's learned how to do).



Stop, slow down, make that connection with them again. Acknowledge their feelings. Honor & respect them as thinking, feeling, unique individuals (not just something you have to take care of). Remind them that they love you & why they do. Let them know that you will let them love their dad & that it's OK to be sad in his absence.



Remember how much they truly need you now, how little they are, how much they still have to learn.
s7e28w81
2007-10-26 01:43:32 UTC
I don't necessarily think spanking would help (in this situation) he is acting out because his dad left. There are deeper issues. He is not doing it because he is a brat. Spanking him will cause a bigger gap between the two of you.



He may be doing this to see if you will leave too. alot of children think a parent left because of their behavior.
justanother1
2007-10-26 01:57:08 UTC
i was a single mum much of my early life with 4 children 3 boys and 1 girl ... i never once held back with my children when it came to a APPROPRIATE smack to the back of the legs , i had no support and was damn sure that i was not going to be responsible for bringing up unruly ,irresponsible children , to this day the younger ones (11 &12 ) still get the odd smack if they push the rules to much .... but without me setting guidelines for unexcepable behaviour ,how would my children have learnt to be good respectable citizens ,of which they have all grown to become ...single mums have a very hard job ahead when bringing up kids along , don,t let them walk all over you a a early age ......... they will appricate it when they are older trust me i have travelled this road
Ringer Dog
2007-10-26 01:46:19 UTC
PLEASE SPANK YOUR CHILDREN!!!



No matter what people say, it is the only effective way to train your children!



I am a teen and I know that the people that get spankings are more respectful and have more morality.



If my parents didn't spank me then, I would be a little brat. I am a good kid and everybody loves me for it.



I still get spankings at my age. My parents say that they can spank me till I move out. I am OK with that since I try not to get them anyways.
2007-10-26 01:39:19 UTC
Tough question! If you haven't discovered him yet, look to Focus on the Family and Dr. Dobson. He's been a lifesaver for our family:



Answered by Dr. James Dobson

Q. Is there an age when you begin to spank?



A. There is no excuse for spanking babies or children younger than 15 to 18 months of age. Even shaking an infant can cause brain damage and death at that delicate age! But midway through the second year (18 months), boys and girls become capable of knowing what you’re telling them to do or not do. They can then very gently be held responsible for how they behave. Suppose a child is reaching for an electric socket or something that will hurt him. You say, “No!” but he just looks at you and continues reaching toward it. You can see the mischievous smile on his face as he thinks, I’m going to do it anyway! I’d encourage you to speak firmly so that he knows he is pushing past the limits. If he persists, slap his fingers just enough to sting. A small amount of pain goes a long way at that age and begins to introduce children to realities of the physical world and the importance of listening to what you say.



Through the next 18 months, you gradually establish yourself as the benevolent boss who means what you say and says what you mean. Contrary to what you have read in popular literature, this firm but loving approach to child rearing will not harm a toddler or make him violent. To the contrary, it is most likely to produce a healthy, confident child.

This article was adapted from Complete Marriage and Family Home Reference Guide by Dr. James Dobson with the perimission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. Copyright 2000 by James Dobson, Inc. All rights reserved. International copyright secured.





Answered by Dr. James Dobson

Q. I have spanked my children for their disobedience, and it didn’t seem to help. Does this approach fail with some children?



A. Children are so tremendously variable that it is sometimes hard to believe that they are all members of the same human family. Some kids can be crushed with nothing more than a stern look; others seem to require strong and even painful disciplinary measures to make a vivid impression. This difference usually results from the degree to which a child needs adult approval and acceptance. The primary parental task is to see things as the child perceives them, thereby tailoring the discipline to his or her unique needs. Accordingly, a boy or girl should never be so likely to be punished as when he or she knows it is deserved.



In a direct answer to your question, disciplinary measures usually fail because of fundamental errors in their application. It is possible for twice the amount of punishment to yield half the results. I have made a study of situations in which parents have told me that their children disregard the threat of punishment and continue to misbehave. There are four basic reasons for this lack of success:



1. The most common error is whimsical discipline. When the rules change every day and when punishment for misbehavior is capricious and inconsistent, the effort to change behavior is undermined. There is no inevitable consequence to be anticipated. This entices children to see if they can beat the system. In society at large, it also encourages criminal behavior among those who believe they will not face the bar of justice.

2. Sometimes a child is more strong-willed than his parent—and they both know it. He just might be tough enough to realize that a confrontation with his mom or dad is really a struggle of wills. If he can withstand the pressure and not buckle during a major battle, he can eliminate that form of punishment as a tool in the parent’s repertoire. Does he think through this process on a conscious level? Usually not, but he understands it intuitively. He realizes that a spanking must not be allowed to succeed. Thus, he stiffens his little neck and guts it out. He may even refuse to cry and may say, “That didn’t hurt.” The parent concludes in exasperation, “Spanking doesn’t work for my child.”

3. The spanking may be too gentle. If it doesn’t hurt, it doesn’t motivate a child to avoid the consequence next time. A slap with the hand on the bottom of a multidiapered thirty-month-old is not a deterrent to anything. Be sure the child gets the message—while being careful not to go too far.

4. For a few children, spankings are simply not effective. The child who has attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), for example, may be even more wild and unmanageable after corporal punishment. Also, the child who has been abused may identify loving discipline with the hatred of the past. Finally, the very sensitive child might need a different approach. Let me emphasize once more that children are unique. The only way to raise them correctly is to understand each boy or girl as an individual and design parenting techniques to fit the needs and characteristics of that particular child.



This article was adapted from Complete Marriage and Family Home Reference Guide by Dr. James Dobson with the perimission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. Copyright 2000 by James Dobson, Inc. All rights reserved. International copyright secured.
M-2
2007-10-26 01:49:55 UTC
Some how some way you got to show them you who`s in control.I`m old school, If nothing else worked on me I got spanked.I didn`t turn out to be a murderer, bank robber,child molester,gay etc.I learned respect for my parents.
bugaboo
2007-10-26 01:43:34 UTC
if it gets to the point where the eldest is uncontrollable i think it may be necessary. there are times for these actions and times for just reprimanding
2007-10-26 02:12:26 UTC
one swat on the butt can save you a days worth of yelling. you just have to let the kids know exactly who is boss, you dont have to ever hurt them, just a swat to the butt it breaks their heart more then hurts them, but is very effective.
JJ
2007-10-30 01:39:00 UTC
Sounds like it's too late......Start swinging sister.
RebelPrincess
2007-10-26 01:44:24 UTC
No spanking. Arent you aware it hurts?



Im sorry but I cant grasp the concept of causing a child pain as a punishment.



I guess I just hated it so much when I was younger.
crengle60
2007-10-26 01:39:23 UTC
it worked on me spank um
2007-10-26 01:53:49 UTC
.IT IS OK TO SPANK YOUR CHILDREN-BUT DO NOT SPANK YOUR CHILDREN EVERY HARD BECAUSE IT WILL LEAVE MARKS IN HIM OR HER SO IT IS OK.


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